"If you take a look at the academics who are mostly moderately liberal and are in a moderately lived world that means being almost completely subordinate to an official doctrine and ideology, and they can't go millimeter beyond. Occasional exceptions are a reflection of the pressures of activism and engagement. With most of the students in talking about the role of liberals: You've [Hedges] pointed out that they are tolerated by the ruling capitalist elite as long as they do not question the virtue of the rulers or the structural and social systems that sustain the elites. And they become the attack dogs on people such as yourself and do more damage than good. (Edited transcript.)